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AVIONS N°240
AVIONS N°240
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Avec quelques croix noires (y compris Grande Guerre) et un sujet que je connais un peu...
Avec quelques croix noires (y compris Grande Guerre) et un sujet que je connais un peu...
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#3Ouais... même le sujet actu pourrait m'intéresser. C'est relativement rare mais ça arrive.
Le titre sur Marseille est légèrement trompeur dans le sens où il s'est fait descendre plus d'une fois mais je vois bien à quoi il fait allusion.
Le titre sur Marseille est légèrement trompeur dans le sens où il s'est fait descendre plus d'une fois mais je vois bien à quoi il fait allusion.
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#6Je plussoie larsenjp et on peut deviner que l'article sera d'Andrew Arthy. Si c'est le cas, autant pour sa promesse de plus recycler ses earticles dans des magazines français (et si l'article sur Kurt Bühligen est aussi de lui, je serais bien dégouté car ça fera deux articles que j'ai deja lu...).
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#7J'ignorais sa promesse mais cochon qui s'en dédit comme on dit!
Et tout le monde ne maitrise pas l'anglais non plus.
Et tout le monde ne maitrise pas l'anglais non plus.
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#8Il avait dit ça après que des lecteurs d'AJ s'étaient étonnés de voir des articles qu'ils avaient payés apparaitre dans la revue. Pour ces articles suivants chez AJ il les a donc plus proposé sur son site mais dans des revues britanniques.
Après si il annonçait dès le départ que ces articles seront aussi publiés dans des magazines dans une autre langue, j'aurais pas de problème, j'attendrais qu'ils sortent en magazine mais là j'ai un peu l'impression d'être floué.
Après si il annonçait dès le départ que ces articles seront aussi publiés dans des magazines dans une autre langue, j'aurais pas de problème, j'attendrais qu'ils sortent en magazine mais là j'ai un peu l'impression d'être floué.
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#9Je me demande si Panisch coupe à coeur 
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#11Si l'article est bien d'Andrew Arthy - ce qui parait probable - ça ne me choque pas plus que çà. J'ai pourtant l'article en question et à mon avis celui ci restera plus détaillé que celui qui paraitra dans Avions.
Après, pas sûr non plus que j'achète ce numéro ...
Après, pas sûr non plus que j'achète ce numéro ...
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#12Clairement si les deux articles sont de lui (pour le premier y a quand même très peu de doute), j'aurais pas acheté ce numéro... (c'est d'ailleurs ce que je faisais pour Aces quand ils recyclaient des articles) mais "pas de bol", je suis abonné.
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#13Gentlemen,
I can understand your feelings on 'recycled' articles and feeling a little 'ripped off' when versions of my work that has previously appeared as Air War Publications eArticles appears in a magazine. It is a bit of a difficult position for an aviation historian, when you want to publish your work in different languages. My aim has been to ensure that anything published in a magazine is a modified (and usually a reduced) version of what appeared as an eArticle - no-one wants to purchase an eArticle and then see exactly the same text in a magazine a year or two later.
In this particular case, I created a different and shorter version of the Marseille story called 'In Deadly Skies' for Wartime magazine in Australia, focused more on the RAF and Australian sides of the story, but Wartime eventually decided not to publish it. This is what I offered to Avions, because I did not want to simply re-publish the text of our eArticle in another language. As Tubs correctly notes, the Avions version of the Marseille article is much shorter, at 3,300 words, while the eArticle version is 5,000 words. So you get the full story in the eArticle version, and the Avions version is slimmed down, and from a somewhat different perspective. Avions added some photographs and other material, and I was able to do some corrections and add some things. So I hope people who purchased the eArticle do not feel betrayed by this, and that both versions are of interest to readers. In either case, it is a story that features previously unpublished details about Marseille being shot down 80 years ago, so it must be at least a little bit of a revelation!
The Kurt Bühligen article is not by me, and I have no intention of publishing it (or any of our Air War Publications Jagdgeschwader 2 biographies) with any French aviation history magazines in the future. I can assure you that I will stick to that promise!
For those interested, here are my current and past French-language article projects:
- Kasserine Parts 1, 2 and 3 (will not be an eArticle at any point in the future)
- 12 October 1941 (version appearing in current Avions is a modified and reduced version of the eArticle)
- 9 October 1942 (version that will appear in Aérojournal will have some additions compared to the eArticle, particularly in terms of photographs)
- Ju 87 G (appeared in recent Avions edition. An Air War Publications eArticle will appear in years to come, but will have much additional material, because research is ongoing)
- Jagdgeschwader 2 at Dieppe (am still looking for a French publisher. A revised and expanded version of this might appear as an eArticle, but that is a long way in the future)
- 4.(F)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14 in the winter of 1941/1942 (if I can find enough photographs - the story is really interesting!)
- I./Jagdgeschwader 27 Arrives in Africa (an eArticle version is possible, but will be very different to the magazine version)
- Objective Kufra (an eArticle version is possible, but would be much longer and more 'nerdy' than the magazine version)
- 2.(H)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14 (the magazine version will be half the length of our eArticle version of the story, with some additions and corrections)
These are all original projects, based on primary sources, contact with veteran families, and new research. I have a few other articles in development (Norway, Kuban, Hs 129 in Africa), but my spare time for writing will soon be much-reduced, so not sure how many more I will be able to publish, in French or as eArticles.
I endeavour not to be a 'bad guy' in this situation, and am doing my utmost to ensure that no eArticle is reproduced word-for-word in a French aviation history magazine. It has been nice to have my articles published in French, but I don't want to 'rip off' those who purchased the English-language eArticles.
In other news, I'm still writing my Air War Courland book, which is now at 75,000 words. The periods July-August 1944 and March-May 1945 are finished, and the rest of the book is well underway.
Apologies for replying in English! And for now, I have a tropical cyclone bearing down on me in the next hour or two here in Western Australia, so better leave it there and 'bunker down'!
All the best,
Andrew A.
I can understand your feelings on 'recycled' articles and feeling a little 'ripped off' when versions of my work that has previously appeared as Air War Publications eArticles appears in a magazine. It is a bit of a difficult position for an aviation historian, when you want to publish your work in different languages. My aim has been to ensure that anything published in a magazine is a modified (and usually a reduced) version of what appeared as an eArticle - no-one wants to purchase an eArticle and then see exactly the same text in a magazine a year or two later.
In this particular case, I created a different and shorter version of the Marseille story called 'In Deadly Skies' for Wartime magazine in Australia, focused more on the RAF and Australian sides of the story, but Wartime eventually decided not to publish it. This is what I offered to Avions, because I did not want to simply re-publish the text of our eArticle in another language. As Tubs correctly notes, the Avions version of the Marseille article is much shorter, at 3,300 words, while the eArticle version is 5,000 words. So you get the full story in the eArticle version, and the Avions version is slimmed down, and from a somewhat different perspective. Avions added some photographs and other material, and I was able to do some corrections and add some things. So I hope people who purchased the eArticle do not feel betrayed by this, and that both versions are of interest to readers. In either case, it is a story that features previously unpublished details about Marseille being shot down 80 years ago, so it must be at least a little bit of a revelation!
The Kurt Bühligen article is not by me, and I have no intention of publishing it (or any of our Air War Publications Jagdgeschwader 2 biographies) with any French aviation history magazines in the future. I can assure you that I will stick to that promise!
For those interested, here are my current and past French-language article projects:
- Kasserine Parts 1, 2 and 3 (will not be an eArticle at any point in the future)
- 12 October 1941 (version appearing in current Avions is a modified and reduced version of the eArticle)
- 9 October 1942 (version that will appear in Aérojournal will have some additions compared to the eArticle, particularly in terms of photographs)
- Ju 87 G (appeared in recent Avions edition. An Air War Publications eArticle will appear in years to come, but will have much additional material, because research is ongoing)
- Jagdgeschwader 2 at Dieppe (am still looking for a French publisher. A revised and expanded version of this might appear as an eArticle, but that is a long way in the future)
- 4.(F)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14 in the winter of 1941/1942 (if I can find enough photographs - the story is really interesting!)
- I./Jagdgeschwader 27 Arrives in Africa (an eArticle version is possible, but will be very different to the magazine version)
- Objective Kufra (an eArticle version is possible, but would be much longer and more 'nerdy' than the magazine version)
- 2.(H)/Aufklärungsgruppe 14 (the magazine version will be half the length of our eArticle version of the story, with some additions and corrections)
These are all original projects, based on primary sources, contact with veteran families, and new research. I have a few other articles in development (Norway, Kuban, Hs 129 in Africa), but my spare time for writing will soon be much-reduced, so not sure how many more I will be able to publish, in French or as eArticles.
I endeavour not to be a 'bad guy' in this situation, and am doing my utmost to ensure that no eArticle is reproduced word-for-word in a French aviation history magazine. It has been nice to have my articles published in French, but I don't want to 'rip off' those who purchased the English-language eArticles.
In other news, I'm still writing my Air War Courland book, which is now at 75,000 words. The periods July-August 1944 and March-May 1945 are finished, and the rest of the book is well underway.
Apologies for replying in English! And for now, I have a tropical cyclone bearing down on me in the next hour or two here in Western Australia, so better leave it there and 'bunker down'!
All the best,
Andrew A.
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#14Hi Andrew,
Thanks for sharing information with us.
Personnally i would not really have been shocked if the Avions article would have been a direct translation of the eArticle since it would have provided an opportunity for non english-speaking french aviation buffs to read the results of your research. I read your eArticle and i will also read the article in Avions with pleasure all the more since you changed the point of view. I hope you will find publishers for the articles you mention, they sound very promising.
Regarding Air War Courland, this is good news since the book is eagerly awaited by everybody out there. Do you have an idea about a provisionnal date of release?
All the best and hope to see you back here once the cyclone is gone.
Thanks for sharing information with us.
Personnally i would not really have been shocked if the Avions article would have been a direct translation of the eArticle since it would have provided an opportunity for non english-speaking french aviation buffs to read the results of your research. I read your eArticle and i will also read the article in Avions with pleasure all the more since you changed the point of view. I hope you will find publishers for the articles you mention, they sound very promising.
Regarding Air War Courland, this is good news since the book is eagerly awaited by everybody out there. Do you have an idea about a provisionnal date of release?
All the best and hope to see you back here once the cyclone is gone.
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#15Thank you Andrew. My rant should not deter you from publishing in Avions and Aerojournal new content, it's much appreciated as your expertise is unparalleled.
And of course your Air War Courland book will be mine.
And of course your Air War Courland book will be mine.
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#16Gentlemen,
Thanks very much for your understanding about the articles. We have only just got some unreliable telephone and Internet service back on here in Western Australia, and have gone 60 hours without electricity or hot water, so things are a little chaotic after the cyclone, to say the least! Hopefully the electricity can be restored in a couple of days.
Regarding Air War Courland, it is such an immense project, and there is so much research material to consult, but I hope to finish writing the story in coming months, with an aim for release at the end of this year or early next year. I've been gradually sorting out the photographs, and our colour profile artwork (27 German aircraft and 16 Soviet aircraft) is being created at the moment. So it is all coming together nicely.
All the best,
Andrew A.
Thanks very much for your understanding about the articles. We have only just got some unreliable telephone and Internet service back on here in Western Australia, and have gone 60 hours without electricity or hot water, so things are a little chaotic after the cyclone, to say the least! Hopefully the electricity can be restored in a couple of days.
Regarding Air War Courland, it is such an immense project, and there is so much research material to consult, but I hope to finish writing the story in coming months, with an aim for release at the end of this year or early next year. I've been gradually sorting out the photographs, and our colour profile artwork (27 German aircraft and 16 Soviet aircraft) is being created at the moment. So it is all coming together nicely.
All the best,
Andrew A.
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#17J'ai refait tous les calculs... notre idée est irréalisable, il ne nous reste qu'une chose: la réaliser!
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#18Je viens de lire le courrier des lecteurs, à propos de l'article sur le Lysander publié dans le n° 238. Je suis heureux de savoir qu'ils ont enfin découvert les documents disponibles aux National Archives, "combat reports" et "appendices", dont j'avais parlé ici même il y a quelques mois de cela. Même esprit de synthèse, c'est magnifique 
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#19On peut que de féliciter une nouvelle fois pour la qualité de tes interventionsTubs a écrit : ↑dim. avr. 25, 2021 1:14 pmJe viens de lire le courrier des lecteurs, à propos de l'article sur le Lysander publié dans le n° 238. Je suis heureux de savoir qu'ils ont enfin découvert les documents disponibles aux National Archives, "combat reports" et "appendices", dont j'avais parlé ici même il y a quelques mois de cela. Même esprit de synthèse, c'est magnifique
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#20J'ai refait tous les calculs... notre idée est irréalisable, il ne nous reste qu'une chose: la réaliser!
Pierre Georges Latécoère
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