Missions : problème de taille

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Je m'adresse ici aux créateurs de missions.

Je viens de tomber sur un os.

J'ai créé une mission coop, 2 flottes de 5 navires dont chacune 2 PA, 28 avions en tout.

Strictement rien d'autre, 2 waypoints par navires, basta. Un minimum donc.

Map Coral Sea, donc map vide (que de l'océan, nada mas).

Théoriquement, ça ne devrait pas être lourd au niveau du fichier x.mis (si je prends les missions de la campagne Tintin, j'arrive à un max de 51 Ko pour des maps bien chargés, dans la campagne Pacifique même topo... j'ai même une mission sur cette dernière campagne avec plus de 40 avions, je n'y dépasse même pas 20 Ko !!!).

Or, j'arrive dans PF à plus de 600 Ko !!!

La raison est la suivante : pour chaque bateau, le programme écrit des dizaines de lignes, bien qu'il n'y ait que 2 waypoints !!!

Exemple :

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-954328.81 -174757.83 120.00
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-955498.63 -173666.47 120.00
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-956375.94 -172847.95 120.00
-956668.38 -172575.11 120.00
-956960.88 -172302.27 120.00
-957253.31 -172029.42 120.00
-957545.75 -171756.59 120.00
-957838.19 -171483.75 120.00
-958130.63 -171210.91 120.00
-958423.06 -170938.06 120.00
-958715.50 -170665.23 120.00
-959008.00 -170392.39 120.00
-959300.44 -170119.55 120.00
-959592.88 -169846.70 120.00
-959885.31 -169573.86 120.00
-960177.75 -169301.03 120.00
-960470.19 -169028.19 120.00
-960762.63 -168755.34 120.00
-961055.13 -168482.50 120.00
-961347.56 -168209.67 120.00
-961640.00 -167936.83 120.00
-961932.44 -167663.98 120.00
-962224.88 -167391.14 120.00
-962517.31 -167118.30 120.00
-962809.81 -166845.47 120.00
-963102.25 -166572.63 120.00
-963394.69 -166299.78 120.00
-963687.13 -166026.94 120.00
-963979.56 -165754.11 120.00
-964272.00 -165481.27 120.00
-964564.44 -165208.42 120.00
-964856.94 -164935.58 120.00
-965149.38 -164662.73 120.00
-965441.81 -164389.91 120.00
-965734.25 -164117.06 120.00
-966026.69 -163844.22 120.00
-966319.13 -163571.38 120.00
-966611.56 -163298.55 120.00
-966904.06 -163025.70 120.00
-967196.50 -162752.86 120.00
-967488.94 -162480.02 120.00
-967781.38 -162207.17 120.00
-968073.81 -161934.34 120.00
-968366.25 -161661.50 120.00
-968658.69 -161388.66 120.00
-968951.19 -161115.81 120.00
-969243.63 -160842.98 120.00
-969536.06 -160570.14 120.00
-969828.50 -160297.30 120.00
Je vous le plaisir de compter les lignes de programmes ainsi écrites... et ça concerne un seul des 10 bateaux de la mission !!! N'y a-t-il pas moyen, vu que dans ce cas précis, il s'agit d'un seul bateau, de ne mettre que les coordonnées de départ, celles d'arrivée et la vitesse, afin d'éviter d'alourdir les choses inutilement ???

S'il y a une raison (et il y en a certainement une de valable, je n'en doute pas une seconde) pour que le programme écrive ces centaines de données pour un seul objet, existe-t-il un moyen de faire en sorte que ça bouffe moins d'espace ???

N'oubliez pas une chose : pour le jeu online, les ordis doiovent se transmettre TOUTES ces données !!! Bonjour les très gros problèmes pour les connexions un peu faibles...
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merdum
ca n'augure rien de bon en effet gaton c'est hallucinant
je vois pas en effet à quoi peuvent correspondre toutes ce lignes supplémentaires
pour deux waypoint
faudrait voir si c'est pas cela qui fait lager plutôt que la dca
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Je ne te le fais pas dire, amigo... je crois bien que là, j'ai mis le doigt sur un TRES gros problème !!! C'est ça qui fait (notamment) que le zip de la mission ne peut être mis sur le forum comme je l'ai fait pour d'autres missions. J'avais bien remarqué cette différence de taille, mais ce coup-là, ça en devenait vraiment trop lourd !!!

Tu imagines ? Plus de 600 Ko, soit plus de la moitié d'un skin 1024 par 1024 !!!

On se trouve, à mon humble avis, devant un vraiment gros problème.
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unE map :D !

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attention j'ai fait des teste

map coral sea / convention = 2 waypoint = 1 départ + arrrivée

map + 1 navire stationnaire = 1k0
map + 1 navire fixe + 1 navire mobile 2 waypoint = 8 ko
map + 1 navire fixe + 2 navires mobiles 2 waypoint = 17ko
map + 1 navire fixe + 2 navires mobiles 3 waypoints = 35 ko

là je me dis il y a un truc bizarre
et je pense que c'est pas le nombre du waypoint qui fait le poid mais la distance entre les deux points

map coral sea

1navire mobile ( usss ward) 2 waypoint d'un carré = 9ko
1 navir mobile ...................2 waypoints total 2 carré = 16ko
1 navire mobile .................2 waypoint total 3 carrés = 35ko
1 navire mobile .................2 waypoint total 6 carrés = 46 ko

2 navires mobiles ( 32 x usss ward) 2 waypoint chaque 1 carré = 16
2 navires mobiles ( .....................) 3 waypoint chaque 2 carré = 33

donc imaginons 8 navries avec 4 waypoints sur une belle distance ca chiffre tout de suite

je fais un teste sur une petite map et je continu
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ok sur koralsea j'avais la grade au plus haut c'est à dire la carte sans descendre le curseur et donc avec un carré = plusieurs carré de 10/10km

si je descend l'echelle

de Aj a AS inclu mission 1 navire 2 waypoint = 8 ko

je fais le teste sur wake avec le même navire 2 waypoint

BM à BN = 1 ko
BM à BO = 2ko
bm à BP = 3ko
BM à BS = 5ko

teste wake même navire en 2 exemplaires avec 2 waypoint chacun

BM / BN = 2ko
BM / BO = 4ko

donc quelque soit la carte un navire parcourant 10km donne 1ko à la mission
et même si pour faire en ligne droite 10km je met 4 waypoint cela fera toujours 2ko pour 20km

je confirme en précisant que dans l'exemple en ligne droite pour traverser les 20km d'un carée à la fin du suivant je met 37mn je trod mes waypoint avec toujours 37mn de deplacement mais en passant par 3 carrés le poid ne change pas
donc c'est la distance / durée qui fait le poid et non le nombre de carré ou la multiplication des waypoint

par contre pourquoi ces lignes en pagailles cela j'en sais rien

gaston regarde donc dans ta mission en enlevant tous les avions et objets au sol et en ne gardant que les navires combien de km il parcourent et combien cela donne de ko
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Originally posted by Merlin (FZG_Immel)@2 Sep 2004, 16:04
unE map :D !

là, faudrait vite reporter ça a Starshoy-
merlin il lachera jamais l'affaire avec sa map :lol: :lol:

en tout cas vite a remontée ! ca merite une verification

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Aha... je crois que l'argument de la distance est le bon. Je précise que je me suis pas cassé en écrivant la mission... je n'ai mis que 2 wp par bateau, mais leur trajectoire traverse quasiment tout le map. D'où peut-être ceci. Mais même... je trouve illogique que la distance détermine la lourdeur du fichier, et non le nombre d'objet (car finalement, un waypoint est un objet).

Je vais donc revoir ma copie en raccourcissant les trajectoires des navires. C'est peut-être la solution. Mais je le redis : je trouve ça illogique.
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Pour info je te met le script des missions tests avec l'illustrious :

1 pa
1 cuirassé
2 Destroyers

4 seafire en décollage

3x4 avions torpilleurs

Poid de la mision : 2,08 ko

[MAIN]
MAP Palau/load.ini
TIME 12.0
CloudType 0
CloudHeight 1000.0
player 30thSqn00
army 1
playerNum 0
[Wing]
IJN_K_Misawa00
IJN_K_Misawa01
IJN_K_Misawa02
IJN_K_Misawa03
30thSqn00
[IJN_K_Misawa00]
Planes 4
Skill 3
Class air.B5N2
Fuel 100
weapons 1x91
[IJN_K_Misawa00_Way]
NORMFLY 72387.87 19842.40 300.00 300.00 &0
GATTACK 61565.06 19880.70 50.00 300.00 2_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 65511.01 16670.53 50.00 300.00 &0
[IJN_K_Misawa01]
Planes 4
Skill 1
Class air.B5N2
Fuel 100
weapons 1x91
[IJN_K_Misawa01_Way]
NORMFLY 72368.55 20703.62 300.00 300.00 &0
GATTACK 61742.34 20863.63 50.00 300.00 3_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 66878.72 24640.27 50.00 300.00 &0
[IJN_K_Misawa02]
Planes 4
Skill 3
Class air.B5N2
Fuel 100
weapons 1x91
[IJN_K_Misawa02_Way]
NORMFLY 71993.65 21659.13 300.00 300.00 &0
GATTACK 61714.39 21654.45 50.00 300.00 3_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 63855.67 26447.64 1500.00 300.00 &0
[IJN_K_Misawa03]
Planes 1
Skill 1
Class air.B5N2
Fuel 100
weapons default
[IJN_K_Misawa03_Way]
NORMFLY 66948.11 26584.17 300.00 300.00 &0
GATTACK 60147.38 21984.64 50.00 300.00 3_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 59595.76 26478.91 50.00 300.00 &0
[30thSqn00]
Planes 4
Skill 1
Class air.SEAFIRE3
Fuel 50
weapons default
[30thSqn00_Way]
TAKEOFF 58673.45 20487.14 0 0 3_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 59245.52 22387.30 50.00 300.00 IJN_K_Misawa03 1 &0
LANDING 58336.48 20421.91 0 0 3_Chief 0 &0
[Chiefs]
0_Chief Ships.USSWardDD139 1 0 2
1_Chief Ships.USSDentDD116 1 0 2
2_Chief Ships.HMSDukeOfYorkBB 1 0 2
3_Chief Ships.HMSIllustriousCV 1 0 2
[0_Chief_Road]
58329.96 20744.51 120.00 0 2 9.002778053283691
62049.61 28536.33 120.00
[1_Chief_Road]
59024.63 20400.30 120.00 0 2 9.002778053283691
62711.89 28258.77 120.00
[2_Chief_Road]
59437.68 20024.80 120.00 0 2 8.424028396606445
62991.24 27798.94 120.00
[3_Chief_Road]
58699.20 20531.73 120.00 0 2 8.809722900390625
62385.97 28421.21 120.00
[NStationary]
[Buildings]
[StaticCamera]
58838 20151 100
59834 22545 100
[Bridge]
[House]


j'ai peu de ligne, mais aussi trés peu de distance parcourue ...
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si tes teste le confirme faudra en effet voir avec oleg pourquoi prendre en compte la distance
cela doit avoir une explication mais bon avec des map de 500km...
ceci di des mission où les navire font plus de 30 à 40km vu leur vitesse il n'y en aura pas des masse ( on aura plus de coco avant la fin de la mission )
ceci dit c'est un point très important à étudier
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simple question, mais tes quatre PA ont combien de matelots à bord?


et si le jeu les considérait comme objets séparés qu'il doit gérer un à un?
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ce n'est pas ça toocool, regarde le détail des mouvement des navires sur le script que j'ai mis ... 2 wp :

[0_Chief_Road]
58329.96 20744.51 120.00 0 2 9.002778053283691
62049.61 28536.33 120.00
[1_Chief_Road]
59024.63 20400.30 120.00 0 2 9.002778053283691
62711.89 28258.77 120.00
[2_Chief_Road]
59437.68 20024.80 120.00 0 2 8.424028396606445
62991.24 27798.94 120.00
[3_Chief_Road]
58699.20 20531.73 120.00 0 2 8.809722900390625
62385.97 28421.21 120.00

ça n'est pas lourd, d'autre c'est peut être les grandes distances , je n'ai pas eu le temps de vérifier hier!
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selon mes tests se sont les longues distances
mais ce que je ne comprend pas c'est la ligne de code de gaston

au fait tu as refais ta mission avec des trajets cours gaston ?
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Voilà... je l'ai refaite en raccourcissant les trajets des navires. C'était bien ça, le problème. Je vous annexe la mission... Vu la durée, il faut un long trajet : les 2 flottes sont quand même à plus de 300 km l'une de l'autre !!! Ca implique donc une mission de plus de 2 heures. Donc long cheminement pour les bateaux (pas oublier d'ajouter une réserve, au cas où...) est logique... d'où je persiste à penser qu'il est illogique que le programme balance toutes ces lignes de code entre le premier et le dernier waypoint...
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